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October 23, 2007

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If God or Jesus talked to you, what would you do? Would you tell everyone what they had to say? Well that is what I have been doing, telling everyone. Mel Steffor

Jesus told me the meaning of First is Last and Last is First, in the Spring of 2006. This is his message:

In the morning I go to Heaven. In the afternoon I live my life. In the evening I die, death. What does this mean? What this message is saying is that Birth is Last and Last is Birth. To understand this think of a continuous circle of Life. Birth, Life, Death, Birth. Yes, God has made recent contact. Spread this message along like a chain letter. Tell two people. One more point of interest. Did you know that Mike Douglas died on his birthday? Mel Steffor

Now I have been blogging this everywhere. On one site another blogger said that most religions are unaware of this verse. He said that it is a common thread in Eastern Mystics. I was not aware of that. Is this verse familiar to you or Cunfucious? Mel Steffor

But Confucianism would accept, or could accept, the notion of gay marriage, which creates new family environments where Humanity can be created and nurtured.

That's possible, although it seems to me that a Confucian could also argue as the Catholic church appears to (see http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/mshivana/popejohnpaulII.htm ) that homosexual behaviour is inherently undermining to family relationships.

I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with their reasoning, just that it is possible for them to make this argument. Given that familial relationships and the institution of marriage is a central concern for Confucians, they might be open to it too.

Peter

There are parallels to the population pressures of the mid- to late-Qing here. It was not uncommon at the time for male-male or male-male-female to occur in poorer, rural areas or among migrants. All of these activities were viewed with considerable suspicion by the elite and officials. In terms of "Confucian" views of gay marriage, the Qing government took a dim view of male-male homosexuality. But if anyone is interested, I suggest the research of Matthew Sommer, especially his first book Sex and Law in the Qing. He also has a good book chapter on Qing polyandry (multiple males sharing a single female) in Bryna Goodman and Wendy Larson, eds., Gender in Motion.

Peter,
Yes, there are various ways that Confucian thought can be used, one of which would be in the manner that you suggest. There are others, however. And, I believe, there is a powerful internal logic of the thought itself (i.e. the priority of realizing Humanity in the world) that makes a defense of gay marriage possible and consistent.
Jeremiah,
Thanks for the historical insights.

Correction: To the meaning of First is Last and Last is First. It means that Birth is Last and Birth is First. Sorry for the error. God talks in symbols and opposites at times so it takes time to figure out what he is saying. Some of his messages are clearer than others, plus they have multiple meanings.


I don't think people understand the message about Birth is Last and Birth is First. To clear up any misunderstanding I would like to explain what this means. God is saying that Birth is Last (First is Last). The next part of the message is: Last is First. Since we now know that Birth is Last (Birth=Last), subsitute birth for last making the second part of the message, birth is first. Or last is now first.

I know this seems jumbled. Think of it in another way. Birth is Last in this part of your developement. After you are born in the next stage of development it becomes the first.

Another way of understanding this is to think of a fetus. A fetus exists but has not been born yet (unborn). The last stage of a fetus is Birth (Birth is Last). After a fetus is born it now becomes the beginning or First, (Birth is First).


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