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April 04, 2009

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Peony

Hi Sam,

Welcome home!! I heard from DB a little about what was said about the book and it sounded like you got quite a lot of great feedback! And, I loved the photographs you posted too.

Of course, you can guess I would disagree very strongly with what you wrote above. Everything is always changing. It is inevitable and so I don't see the empahasis on cultural authenticity as being opposed to change. That is to say that I see nothing futile about such an endeavor-- whther that's the French trying to limit the number of megastores or supermarkets or the Italians using scaffolding which reflects Italian design or any other such past-orienting project. People in a culture would intuitively feel what is authentic or not (and then when this king of referencing becomes over-intellectualizing is really a case-by-case situation so maybe Qin-- whose work I don't know-- is doing so is a different matter)Thinking about the past and trying to reflect on ways that past can be brought into the future is hardly being averse to change. Quite the opposite. I would say the students are engaged in a very productive and creative kind of thinking and it's something that will go on anywhere really, don't you think? Was watching a show about a Japanese actor who traveled to one of the hilltowns in Italy to participate in their festivals and the young people were saying things strikingly close to your students above concerning keeping the festivals alive in the face of... well, in the face of many things. Ciao.

Jason Law

Professor Crane,

I was wondering what you thought about 798 as an institution itself--I was only there for a very short while, so I didn't see too much, but the narrow line between embracing artistic expression--recognizing it's cultural and economic value--and constraining artistic freedom--wariness of social and political disturbance--really interests me.

chriswaugh_bj

Well, first you got me remembering Taiyuan and Changsha as I experienced them 7,8,9 years ago and the different ways those two cities had preserved their histories and roots and local perceptions of my perceptions of that, but that comment threatened to turn a little too rambly, so I took it elsewhere. It may appear on my blog if I can get it at least halfway coherent, but no guarantees.

Then you got me trying to remember some Daoist parable, or metaphor at least, of water. Or maybe I was just trying to find some fancy intellectual way to say "go with the flow."

Excellent post, in other words.

Peony

Hi Chris,

I will check your place later as I would be interested to hear what you say. Japan and Taiwan I think in particular became industrialized over a very short amount of time-- where it took the US 100 years (or whatever) and Europe many hundreds of years, Japan basically did a lot of the work practically overnight. And the rebuilding after the war too was in many ways done in haphazard ways. You know, I've lived here almost 20 years and have traveled much of the country and the places that are particularly "livable" or somehow beautiful are in fact those places that consciously sought to retain their heritage. In so many places "going with the flow" means going with what is profitable for the largest corporation, right? But there are these towns in Japan-- like where I live, or like Takayama or Kurashiki-- that the people seem very committed to the past (I wouldn't call it "holding o to the past as much as to borrow Fingarette's idea "animating" the past).

In my town, the old buildings remain, it still puts on its festivals, students would ask foreigners similar question as Sam experienced... people talk about "being Japanese," and it's not necessarily a bad thing. I really feel this when I travel to my husband's hometown, which was bombed flat during the war and hastily put back up. Instead of traditional buildings or festivals or ikebana teachers, there are starbucks and megamalls, and a cosco...

Guess where I'd rather live? In my town with its clea river full of carp and old Edo storehouses and a calendar full of events.

The thing is, no matter what, there will be change. And, in order not to throw the baby out ith the bathwater, a bit of intellectualizing/consideration might be required... maybe?

I will check your place later...gota run, not checking for typos again!

isha

These useless "arts" could only reflect the parasitical economic system represented by Wall Street. They don't produce, they create no value. They consume at the expense of those who produce and feed them, like termites in the giant building called the Empire. They bring corruption with them and spread it just like lepers.

Decadence, of course, is not foreign in China that is how ex-empires like Great Tang and Ming eventually fade away. One can just read the poetry of these ages to reflect upon. Beijing, being a provincial capital of this current, fading empire, of course, can't escape this trend of decadence (one can call it modern " art”, just like termite would call their anthills.) Tang left its poetry, Ming had its plays, and Britain left his Shakespeare. What is going to be the legacy of this empire? Anthills of trashes?

Whoever is least corrupted, will survive this ... silliness...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTZr0PgAdYQ

isha

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