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February 10, 2010

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justsomeguy

Well, for starters, I'm not sure that it makes sense to apply the European nationalist narrative to all nationalist narratives. Indeed, in Europe it was generally the case that a sovereign ruled over a multi-ethnic, multi-national empire through capricious situations such as marriage alliances.

I'm not sure that such an analysis can be applied to China, which unified early on and more-or-less remained unified. Back to an earlier post about critical Han studies, the Han race is about as homogeneous as the Caucasian race. That is to say, not at all. I mean, you've got multiple mutually unintelligible dialects and a great variety of physical traits yet they are all supposed to be the same thing?

If we applied Gellner's analysis to China, we would either have to conclude that "Han" China (ethnic regions in revolt are in keeping with his thesis, after all) is an anomaly held together by force of arms or that White Europe (so, excluding odd-balls like the Magyar and Basque) ought to have unified long ago.

Of those two lines of argument, I do think the former could bear some useful fruit. But, at the same time, we've got texts going back as far as Confucius, earlier even, where a Greater China is called for. And I don't think it could be very effectively argued that this Greater China is like Greater Serbia, since Serbs do have similarities (like largely mutually intelligible languages) that the "Han" often lack. The writing system gets around this, but we have the controls of Japan and Korea -- both of which broke away from China and developed their own writing systems to boot!

As for roles becoming optional and instrumental, well, to bring things back to your post we can ask what Marxists think of that. They have a word for it: alienation. Pre/anti-modern communitarian paths (a la Sandel) seek to avoid that alienation and are successful at it within the class of people whose alienation is being considered (real bad track record on women's rights, those communitarian societies). Confucianism can fit quite comfortably into that reaction to modernism. That needn't demand that Confucianism be reactionary, though. The role of a good remonstrator is stressed in the Mencius, after all. So, Confucianism can serve that function within the context of modernity for those to whom Confucianism means something.

Maybe not the most glamorous of roles, but hey, Confucius didn't get to have any big glamorous roles in his lifetime either!

Vik

This seems suspiciously close to the old Eurocentric/Orientalist stereotype that the past was fixed and static (without creativity) and "modernity" somehow dynamic. I hope someone would open that up to scrutiny right off the bat. Are we really all that different now? Looking at the long arc of history?

isha

Looking at the long arc of history:

Vik:

What do you think about Dr. Kegan's website on Taoism and Confucianism? His interpration of history makes any sense to you? Thanks in advance ...

http://www.stars-n-dice.com/fluxtome.html


Isha

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