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January 12, 2009


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"Also, while Charter 08 is a significant thing, we should not expect a direct and smooth development of American style democracy in China any time soon."


Assuming I understanding what you are saying, why do you assume it is even desirable for China emerging into a " American style democracy "???!

Here is one outstanding example of " American style democracy" in action:

TOTALS 390 Teas 5 Nays 22 Pres 16 NV

(The House vote (390 in support, 5 opposed) followed the Senate which the day before unanimously passed its non-binding resolution supporting Israel’s “right to defend itself against attacks from Gaza.” )

Here is the question: Do U.S. House and Senate represent the collective will of American people?

If the answer is YES, then that collective will definitely go against the collective will of the majority of " international community" 14 vs. 1

Rice shame-faced by Bush over UN Gaza vote: Olmert
48 minutes ago

JERUSALEM (AFP) — US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was left shame-faced after President George W. Bush ordered her to abstain in a key UN vote on the Gaza war, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said on Monday.

"She was left shamed. A resolution that she prepared and arranged, and in the end she did not vote in favour," Olmert said in a speech in the southern town of Ashkelon.

The UN Security Council passed a resolution last Thursday calling for an immediate ceasefire in the three-week-old conflict in the Gaza Strip and an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza where hundreds have been killed.

Fourteen of the council's 15 members voted in favour of the resolution, which was later rejected by both Israel and Hamas.

If the answer is NO... these guys don't represent the interest and sentiment of the American people,( who are basically a decent bunch of guys with some limited and residual sense of justice ) , then the question is, this system of yours can't even reflect the best interest of the country, couldn't reflect the basic moral sentiment of the people, then it is a defective product, something very much like the tainted milk these bad guys made and been punished for in China, then, the question is:

Why do you still have the urge to export this product?

Do you seriously want China to become a U.S.A. the Second in this increasingly dangerous world ? Isn't one enough for now and in the foreseeable future?


I agree with Isha with respect to the limitations of the political system of the States with respect to its representation of collective will. The two-party blocks (Republicans and Democrats) that are only distinct from one another at the margins do not help either an effective democratic process.

Personally, I also think that it is not an important empirical question, of course China will not become another America, not only because policymakers often enough express their abstinence from the form of Western democracy but also for the reasons that you mention, history, traditions, etc.

However, what may be interesting to observe about 'Americanization' in China. It is always irritating to see a deeply rooted ambivalence among some peoples. Like Chinese people, also Muslims, Iranians as well, always surround themselves with an image of dislike if not hatred of America, but in their real lifes they very often desire and passionately embrace the products of American culture, technology and identity sometimes as well. The dream of American life style interestingly is so often at the heart of otherwise displayed dismissal of the country as such which in my view is extraordinary hypocritical, almost like a self-lie.

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